Cyngor Archifau a Chofnodion Cymru
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Minutes of the meeting held at County Hall, Swansea, on 13 July 2001.


Present: S Edwards (Glam, Chair); S Beckley (WGlam); E Bennett (UWSwansea); A Berwick (NCA); G Edwards (RCAHMW); G Evans (NMGW); A Green (UWSwansea); G Jenkins (NLW); S Jones (PRO); M Owen (LlGC); G Reid (Powys); D Rimmer (Gwent); R Sargent (HMC); J Watts-Williams (NLW); and, for the initial discussion, N Havard and H Van Willegen (Swansea Council).

Apologies: R Baker (HMC); J Davies (Carmarthen); S Davies (UWAberystwyth); M Ellis (UWAberystwyth); S Ellis (Conwy); H Malaws (RCAHMW); K Matthias (Denbigh); C Orr (Pembroke); H Palmer (Ceredigion); A Rhydderch (Gwynedd); L Tomos (DILS); R Williams (SocArch).

1Minutes of the last meeting
The minutes of the last meeting held on 16 February 2001 were confirmed.

2Welcome
Gareth Edwards, Adam Green, Mared Owen, Nigel Havard, a Helen Van Willegen were welcomed to the meeting. It was noted that Arwyn Lloyd Hughes had retired and that NMGW had nominated Gayle Evans as the representative in his place.

3Constitution and the Formation of a Company
After NH had explained the background to the changes in the document, and why ACW was faced with two principal choices, namely (1) setting up a company; or (2) nominating a lead body, HVW presented the report by CCS Legal Services on the implications of establishing a company.
3.1ACW was advised not to establish a company because of the complications arising from capital control regimes.
3.2A better alternative would be for one authority to take on the burden of the finances and make a formal agreement (memorandum of understanding) with each of the other organisations in order to co-guarantee expenditure. Memoranda of understanding would force each individual organisation to consider the issues and to seek authorisation to join the project. ACW was advised to achieve the memoranda of understanding in the first place.
3.3Each organisation should have its responsibilities defined.
3.4It could be a long-drawn-out process to get every party on board.
3.5AB pointed out that the HLF do not require a company. In England the pattern was mainly lead bodies.
3.6It was agreed that a permanent arrangement should be made.
3.7NH felt that it was unlikely that ACW would have enough time to establish a company before submitting its bid to HLF in October. It would be best to look for a lead body and say that ACW should aspire to becoming a company as part of its sustainability provision.
3.8CCS legal staff were thanked for their assistance and advice and NH and HVW left the meeting.
3.9After some discussion, it was decided to consider forming a company as a possible option among others, and, in the meantime, to find a lead body to take the bid forward.
3.10It was agreed that the National Library of Wales would be the main location for the ANW team and the project's lead body.
3.11A group of three (SE, EB, and DR) was formed to deal with the memoranda of understanding.
3.12SB would find out the costs of the advice given by CCS.

4Resource and Wales
It was reported that Hywel Roberts's report was on the way.

5CWLIS
SE had failed to attend the Jenny Randerson meeting on 5 April 2001.

6NCA
It was noted that a draft archives bill was to be prepared by the end of 2002.

7Annual Report
It was noted that the annual report for 1999-2000 had been published on ACW's website.

8HMC Quinquennial Review
It was noted that ACW's response had been sent.

9Section 60 Advisory Panel
It was noted that Jenny Randerson would write to the relevant local authorities.

10Archives Network Wales
Two papers were tabled.
10.1GJ introduced the first of them which related to the situation of the project and the options for its development.
10.1.1It was agreed to prepare a bid which would total no more than £500,000.
10.1.2It was agreed to accept NLW's offer to undertake the research required to revise the original bid in respect of the number of fonds, time taken to prepare descriptions etc.
10.1.3It was agreed to accept the offer from the PRO in relation to finding the most appropriate technical infrastructure.
10.1.4It was agreed to accept NLW's offer to draft the business plan.
10.1.5It was agreed that each partner organisation should make some contribution to the partnership funding and specify the sum in its memorandum of understanding.
10.1.6It was agreed to accept NLW's offer to sustain the ANW server; and it was decided to approach the National Assembly to guarantee the associated costs. The commitment to sustain ANW should be built into the memoranda of understanding.
10.1.7It was agreed that each partner should make a commitment to continue to submit data to ANW.
10.1.8It was agreed to send a revised paper to Jane Henderson specifying these new proposals, especially in relation to what can be achieved for £500,000. This would require the circulation of a new questionnaire to ascertain the number of fonds involved and it should be ensured that the total covers all the major collections of archives.
10.2The other paper, which related to the technical solution, was introduced by MO.
10.2.1It was noted that HLF would expect us to have learned from the experience of earlier schemes. We would need to demonstrate the advantages of using regional staff and secondments in conjunction with a central team, e.g. to exploit local knowledge, and to avoid too much time and expense on travel.
10.2.2It was noted that the AIM25 technical solution was well established. The development of the finding aids after the initial three years and the requirements of ANW's users should be kept in mind.
10.2.3It was agreed to try and include current statistics about the volume of response to existing websites which provide finding aids.
10.2.4UWSwansea would want their data to be contributed to ANW with the minimum of intervention. It was agreed that it would be simply a matter of transferring metadata.
10.2.5It was agreed that the element of the scheme relating to the supply of hardware and software could be dropped. It was noted that virtually every partner now had the necessary hardware and networking capability; and that the variety of cataloguing systems should not create a problem.

11Mapping Project
SJ was thanked for the final report which was circulated in draft form at the meeting. SJ said he would welcome comments, even though those of SE and GJ, who had received a draft via e-mail on 1 March, had already been incorporated. He outlined the structure of the report; and raised the question whether sections 11 and 12 (local authority archives services; other archives services) were necessary.
The options for launching the report were discussed. It was decided to distribute the draft as widely as possible to the parties involved and ask them to send their comments as soon as possible to SJ. The layout required comment as well as the text. It was agreed that the launch should be aimed at the National Assembly. SE would approach Penny Hall about organising a presentation to the Minister in October. SJ mentioned another launch at Westminster in November.

12National Archives Policy
It was noted that the Policy was ready and agreed that Mary Ellis should be authorised to go ahead with the printing.

13NOF: Gathering the Jewels
GJ reported that the Gathering the Jewels project had been approved by NOF and was expecting to receive about £1m to digitise some 23,000 items and put them on a website. GJ and GE were members of a small executive of three which was pushing ahead with the project. They intended to form a company before the end of July and hoped to appoint a project director in a few weeks' time. It was decided to nominate GJ as ACW's representative to serve as a Director on the GtJ company.

14Families and Estates Project
RS gave a brief report on the first three months of the HMC/NLW project. He appealed for all record offices to respond to Mair James's letter. DR was nominated to represent ACW on the Project Board.

15Seeking ACW's opinion
SE drew attention to the increasing number of requests for ACW's response to different matters.

16HLF Survey
AB drew attention to HLF's website survey and the need for Welsh archive organisations to respond to it. The new scheme offering small grants between £5,000 and £50,000 would soon be available in Wales. AB would be running workshops in Wales in the autumn.

17Next meeting
It was agreed to hold the next meeting at Glamorgan Record Office in Cardiff at 12 noon on 24 September 2001.


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